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ShinyToyGun
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quote:
Originally posted by purple18
are all of our belgian darlings okay? Iris? Charlie? thinking about you <3


Ive seen them active on Facebook, they're "fine"

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Are you okay?

Anyone seen anything from Charlie and Iris?

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are all of our belgian darlings okay? Iris? Charlie? thinking about you <3
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I've seen Charlie earlier on the board, but she didn't post anything. Dunno about Iris.


I can't really express myself right now. No words can describe how I feel about this.

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And I kinda have the feeling I'm overreacting, cause my friends seem to be 'okay'.. like they're in shock etc but they don't really (want to) talk about it.
It's in my head +24 h

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Nicotine.Head
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I wasn't able to log on until now but thank god everyone is okay...

I can't believe that most of my thoughts went straight to peeps on here. I'd be mortified.

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It's so sad that we must come to terms with the fact that this can happen any day and anywhere. A war we're not accustomed to but a war nonetheless. It's just different.

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Little_Peculiar
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Originally posted by charl!e
And I kinda have the feeling I'm overreacting, cause my friends seem to be 'okay'.. like they're in shock etc but they don't really (want to) talk about it.
It's in my head +24 h

Charlie, dont try to choke down your feelings based on how others feel (or seem to feel). If you need to talk about what happened, and your friends dont, then you should turn to someone else. If you want to vent then you should!

Glad to hear you werent hurt<3

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ShinyToyGun
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quote:
Originally posted by charl!e
And I kinda have the feeling I'm overreacting, cause my friends seem to be 'okay'.. like they're in shock etc but they don't really (want to) talk about it.
It's in my head +24 h



Charlie, don't worry. Same for me. I can't focus at work. I break down in tears during songs, during interviews or radio shows. I feel so sad, angry, powerless, hurt, ... at the same time. Hard to imagine things like this can happen in a cilivized country like ours, by people that were raised in our hometowns.

And to everyone wondering, there's not much racism in Belgium (anymore). These terrorists are second or third generation, born in belgium from immigrant parents or grandparents. Somehow finding that their parents struggled to get jobs 15 years ago, and struggled to get educated (racism WAS a thing back then). Not motivated to get educated themselves, just hanging around on the streets...
They just turned against us. Found their purpose with Syrian recruiters. Left in 2013, came back a year later and started making terrible plans. Brainwashed. Killing innocent people. I just can't believe it. These are criminals, going in and out of jail, they had no hope in life. And they have their little gangs and families and they all protect eachother. So many persons from Molenbeek knew where Salah Abdeslam was hiding. Gang loyalty. Horrible.

agh. unbelievable.

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ShinyToyGun
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Also

how do you guys feel on apps like telegram, where you can have encrypted secured chats?

I think it should be forbidden. If you want to talk in private meet up ffs.

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Do you think government (military intelligence) should be able to control app data (such as whatsapp, messenger apps...)

I think they should (and only military!) be able to do this in times of terror alert. I don't think this compromises my freedom if this means my family and friends are safe.

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quote:
Originally posted by ShinyToyGun
Also

how do you guys feel on apps like telegram, where you can have encrypted secured chats?

I think it should be forbidden. If you want to talk in private meet up ffs.

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Do you think government (military intelligence) should be able to control app data (such as whatsapp, messenger apps...)

I think they should (and only military!) be able to do this in times of terror alert. I don't think this compromises my freedom if this means my family and friends are safe.


No, just no to both. It's not worth to sacrifice freedom for the illusion of better (or perfect) security.
We're on the edge to remove the last differences between democracy and dictatorships/totalitarian regimes. Torture has fallen already. Also imprisonment without rights.
And we've seen that neither backdoors nor weak encryption algorithms help anything, they don't work for the "good ones" only. They just enable criminals and "the bad ones", too - including intelligence agencies of enemies.
And what is "being safe" anyway? In our society, we accept thousands of people to die every year in traffic alone. Sure, terrorism is something different, but the question should be, where does it actually come from? And the inconvenient answer is: from giant f'ckkups in other countries where wars have been fought which should've never been started in the first place (e.g. Iraq), where democratic elected leaders where replaced by dictatorships because of economic and/or strategic interests (e.g. Iran, Syria). Without these giant f'ckkups, there would be a lot less terrorist nutjobs misusing Islam to legitimate murder and terror.
What pisses me off is the failure of the intelligence agencies. After each attack (2x Paris, now Brussels) they say the terrorists were known by either police and/or intelligence agencies. But they're unable - seems rather unwilling - to do their jobs regarding these targets, but always want wore abilities to spy on everyone. But the solution to find the needle in the haystack is not more hay. Identify the targets, then do the necessary surveillance for those targets and people they're communicating with. There're certainly enough laws allowing that for police and/or intelligence agencies.

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quote:
Originally posted by ShinyToyGun
Charlie, don't worry. Same for me. I can't focus at work. I break down in tears during songs, during interviews or radio shows. I feel so sad, angry, powerless, hurt, ... at the same time. Hard to imagine things like this can happen in a cilivized country like ours, by people that were raised in our hometowns.

And to everyone wondering, there's not much racism in Belgium (anymore). These terrorists are second or third generation, born in belgium from immigrant parents or grandparents. Somehow finding that their parents struggled to get jobs 15 years ago, and struggled to get educated (racism WAS a thing back then). Not motivated to get educated themselves, just hanging around on the streets...
They just turned against us. Found their purpose with Syrian recruiters. Left in 2013, came back a year later and started making terrible plans. Brainwashed. Killing innocent people. I just can't believe it. These are criminals, going in and out of jail, they had no hope in life. And they have their little gangs and families and they all protect eachother. So many persons from Molenbeek knew where Salah Abdeslam was hiding. Gang loyalty. Horrible.

agh. unbelievable.



I feel the same way.
I'm scared. Scared cause this is not the end, I fear this is just the beginning.

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ShinyToyGun
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there's a lack of communication between intelligence agencies in different countries. After attacks in Paris, Belgium and France started collaborating more and have since then arrested several terrorists, which of course is not as impressive as failing to capture them.

There will ALWAYS be individual mistakes. I make mistakes at my job all the time. They just have less consequences. There should be more strict guidelines about these communication officers in between countries but really, i don't think individuals or countries are failing, Europe as a so called union is failing.

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AND if we want small criminals to get out of jail without being radicalized or turning them to Syria, we need to offer them education, therapy, meaningfull occupation them. We need to provide them with opportunities so that they don't fall back into old habits.

We need to inject big cities and our education system with room for experimenting, finding out who you are, finding your identity not as a muslim but as a citizen of Europe, and to find your passion. and with money, for free education and more job opportunities.

But that's a whole different discussion I guess.

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I'm the worst loser in the world. I came 2nd on Monopoly tonight..............

I'm telling you cash is king, not ***king credit card bull****. I bet he cheated on it anyway.

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And still, nothing will change after the Brussel attack. These attacks are just the symptoms of a much bigger problem and if we're treating only the symptoms, the sickness won't be cured. Since all the middle-east problems are strictly political I don't think it will ever change soon. I'm so sad that while the world focuses on Kim Kardashian, Donald Trump and how a stupid American got 15 year in a North Korean'a prison there are much bigger problems which should be taken seriously because it will affect all of us directly.

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I just sort of argued with my friend because she thinks Phoebe in Friends is mean, and i disagree.


Im right though. I dont take her words out of context AND ive watched the whole series several times, she has only watched 5 seasons one time.

Shes so wrong.


And im very annoyed.

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